Grade 5, Baby!

Look what turned up at the AAOMPT Student Special Interest Group Blog!  I have a feeling this year's AAOMPT conference in Seattle is going to be a lot of fun...and incredibly important!

Good Work, University of Puget Sound Students!

ERIC

Comments

[John Ware]

I was really enjoying that video until the last 30 seconds when I was stunned to see to young ladies: one holding her middle finger up prominently while the other is pointing to her rectum. That's just a lovely image-completely spoils it for me. And, unfortunately, I'm going to have to email the Academy and ask that they remove the video link from the site because of that obscenity.

I think EIM should take it off, too.

[Truehelper]

Is it just me or does this sort of "stuff" make PT's look slightly goofy.

I do not like it. Sorry.

[Eric Robertson]

First, not everything needs to be serious. This video is good fun and I enjoyed it. So did my class when I showed it for them. Regarding the "obscenity", I should have posted a warning with the video that "It is PG-13 and if you are tremendously offended by a third digit held aloft, you should not watch it." I thought the other girl was pointing to her SI Joint?

In seriousness, I agree the message got a little off track with those 3 seconds. But, those 3 seconds do not discredit what is otherwise a strong and fun piece of video.

[John Ware]

Eric,
As a publically available piece of media with the name of the Academy whose credential I bear emblazoned above it, those 3 seconds certainly discredit it, just as those two women discredit themselves and my profession.

I strongly urge you to get them to edit out that portion or take the video link down.

[Jason]

I loved it!

In case no one noticed the two young ladies nicknames were C7 & S5.

[PaulS]

In the history of music, Vanilla Ice must go down as one of the worst and most profane diatribes against the entire concept of music. I truly believe that when caveman invented music, by banging rocks and sticks against cave walls, that if he were forward thinking enough to deduce that it would come to Vanilla Ice, I truly believe he would have restricted the use of this new medium to battle signaling.

And here we have it, more than a decade after Beavis and Butthead, after Vanilla Ice himself has been on multiple celebrity reality shows, there is now a version of Ice Ice Baby worthy of the public air waves.

I did not notice the extension of the 3rd digit, nor the pointing to S5. Somebody should be able to edit that and fix it.

I am looking forward to their next bit of work at Puget Sound, perhaps they can improve some classic Milli Vanilli, and ‘Blame it on the Pain.’ Gotta blame it on something.

[John Ware]

So, Jason, are you saying that these girl's grandmothers or yours is supposed to figure out that these "gestures" refer to boney landmarks on the human body?

You need to get out more.

The Beavis and Butthead comparison is certainly on the mark. Too bad these are professional PT students in a clinical doctorate program showing us their beavis and their butt.

[Carina Lowry]

I appreciate the creativity. I was wondering if this was being shown to the legislators in WASH or if I misinterpreted that. I did get the fact that the two young ladies were referring to dermatomes however PT humor isn't always funny outside of PT.

I hope that these same students can take their passion and articulate to the legislators why it is so essential to protect manual therapy and manipulation in the physical therapy profession. These students have the drive but need guidance...

[John Ware]

I agree with Carina that guidance was lacking here, but why is it that young adults in a professional education program can't discern a joke from vulgarity?

If folks aren't put off by this based on the indecency argument, how about the chiro lurkers getting a hold of this video? Do you think that would help our branding efforts?

By the way, is the brunette holding a beer?

[Mike]

I totally agree with Comment #1. This video needs to be edited OR removed immediately.

[John Ware]

I received an email from the AAOMPT student SIG web administrator today apologizing for the offending content, and the video has been removed from their blog site.

I also received an email from the sSIG membership chair apologizing for the video.

Craig Crosby at the Academy office assured me that the student page is not within the AAOMPT site, so it would have to be removed by the students or whoever posted it at the separate site.

However, it's still up here at EIM.

[Eric Robertson]

The unconscionable video vulgarity has been replaced. Puget Sound students: Keep the passion! Your video will live on in infamy at NPA Think Tank.

[Truehelper]

No, not everything needs to be serious. But we are afterall professionals and this video is the epitome of dimwittedness when it comes to branding.

My wife watched it and laughed, then asked if it was a high school video. No I said, these are doctorate level students...

If you act like beavis and butthead...expect to be treated like beavis and butthead.

I think it's an embarrassment and only serves to lower our profesional profile.

[John Ware]

Eric, what's up with "up yours" attitude? Why won't you admit that the material was inappropriate for a publicly accessible blog site where health care professional meet to discuss practice issues, marketing and evidence?

A simple apology like the ones I got from the webmaster and student SIG chair would do.

Your losing credibility points. And if you run that unedited video at your site, you're going to lose one viewer at you site as well.

[Brett N]

I would like to apologize on the behalf of my class at the University of Puget Sound for unintentionally offending those who were offended. We did not realize that our "fun" video would make such headlines. I can assure you that all the videos have been taken down, reedited to remove the credit portion of the video, and have been reposted. The only original video that still exists is on this site. Hopefully the moderator of the site can repost the new version immediately. Again we apologize and welcome your thoughts and comments.

[Brett N]

I just realized that the new version has been posted. Thank you Eric!

[Sport]

Wow, who knew the middle finger would cause such an up-roar in the PT community?! I hope the new photo in the "edited" (and can I say slightly less entertaining) video doesn't offend anyone since it appears to be taken in front of a bar in broad daylight! It's a shame that the focus is now completely on those two girls and their "obsene acts" and not the intention of the video...to bring manipulation to the profession of PT in a state in which it is illegal. But in all honesty, would we even be talking this extensively about the video if it did not contain something a little "off color?" No, we would probably say, oh,cute video, and move on to the next blog. Some times it is good to stir the pot a little...how else will issues get attention and changes be made?

[Carina Lowry]

Agreed Sport.

Sometimes we need to feel a little uncomfortable to find that we've been sitting on the tack. From what I've seen, EIM likes to stir the pot a bit.

Hopefully we can make an impact on the legislators in WASH this fall with AAOMPT. Wouldn't it be great to see a morning of lobbying in conjunction with hundreds of experienced PT's in manipulation?

AND I just wanted to say THANK YOU to all of the "idealists" in WASH state who are teaching manips to their students. Don't apologize for being avant garde.

Carina

[PT man]

First of all props to those who made this video because it is fun, entertaining and my class really enjoyed watching it. Second of all, if this little video, posted by PT students gets "John" this fired up and causes this much stirring of the pot, then our profession really is boring and we need more of these types of videos. I realize it wasn't perfect (those 3 seconds) but you really need to look past that to see a class that is passionate about the profession. Also realize that John is "that" guy that tries to turn everything into a dramatic rollercoaster and stir the pot. John, just relax and enjoy the lighter side of a great profession.

[John Ware]

Hey, Sport,

Referring to an obviously vulgar gesture as "off color" shows how averse some have become of making any kinds of distinctions or judgements of what is and what isn't decent and appropriate conduct. Not to mention the supposedly professional context that this video was intended to be viewed in.

What message does this send to our young, future colleagues?

[John Ware]

PT Man,
Unlike you, I use my real name to post here, so no need to use quotation marks.

If you read my first post, then you'd see that I enjoyed the video, but those 3 seconds of very poor judgement ruined it for me.

So, let me get this straight: we're supposed to surrender all decorum and sense of decency in order to "stir the pot" and get some attention so that we can influence legislators?

Call me a boring prude, but you can also count me out if this is what it takes to advance the profession.

[Toni]

I think it is unfortunate that the big picture of this video has been somewhat lost due to such focus on a minute portion of "obscenity", as some call it. I feel what is more embarrassing to the PT profession is the fact that such arguments have taken place over a small piece of the pie, and yet we have not utilized the creativity of this video to share awareness of the positive effects of manipulation and other PT interventions. The revised video is available... use it, show it to your patients, share a laugh, and spread the word!

I certainly don't agree that this is as serious of an issue to be "losing credibility points". Wow. Is our profession that boring to be spending so much time worrying over this matter?

[PT man]

John,

So, let me get this straight, a group of students make a video and one girl flicks off the camera and you discredit the whole group of students and the video itself by saying it ruined it for you.

So if this principle caries over to you dealing with patients, and you screw up or make a bad judgement one time then it should be ok for that patient to discredit you as a therapist and the whole clinic you work for? All I'm saying is that you are letting one girls behavior dictate your thoughts about a group of students and an effort to have some fun with a concept they are learning in school.

[Georgia Boy]

I hate the focus of this discussion has gotten away from a great video and topic that deserves more attention. Manipulation has been shown through research to be effective when certain patient criteria are met, and is actually safer than NSAIDS. As for all the other "stuff" that seems to be garnering too much attention, Mr. Ware, I hope as a culturally competent PT you don't ever give the "thumbs up" sign or an "OK" sign b/c i'm pretty sure some cultures take an offense to these. I would also like to ask you, what are you doing to improve our profession and its label?

[John Ware]

Actually, PTMan, it was the behavior of two girls (one had her backside pointing toward the camera as her finger pointed towards where the sun don't shine).

And, yes, that deplorable, vulgar, obscene, disrespectful, inappropriate, immature, unprofessional and plain old stupid 3 seconds of video ruined it for me.

And apparently the webmaster of the blog where it was originally posted, the vice president and membership chair of the Student SIG agree with me, as they all apologized and had the video edited.

Got it?